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Interview · Episode 02

Inside the dig with intern Leo

Field interview · Waco, Texas
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Gabriel returns to the Waco Mammoth National Monument for a second visit — this time talking with Leo, a federal intern with the Student Conservation Association working alongside the National Park Service. Same fossil floor, deeper questions: what the layers of rock mean, why a mammoth is missing parts of his legs, how camels ended up in Texas, and what's still buried in the walls.

Chapter 01

A friendly hello

Gabriel Okay, so currently I'm at Waco Museum right now, looking at the Waco Mammoth bones, and I have someone special here with me that I can interview today. Could you please introduce yourself?
Leo Hey everyone, my name is Leo. I'm an intern here at Waco Mammoth National Monument, and I'm answering some questions that Gabriel here is going to ask me.
Chapter 02

The Ice Age layers

Gabriel So I can see there's a lot of bones from different times, but I think they were like lived at different times, probably, because there are different layers of rock.
Leo Yeah, you're exactly right. All of these animals did live during a time scientists would call the Pleistocene Epoch, which you might know better as the Ice Age. This stretch of time took place between 2.6 million years ago and 11,700 years ago. But we do have different layers here in time that are thousands of years apart from within that Ice Age. What we're looking at is an assemblage where we found the first and so far only known nursery herd of Columbian mammoths.
Chapter 03

Mammoth Q's missing pieces

Gabriel I can see there's a lot of mammoths here, and some of them are juvenile babies, but some of them lived at different times. So this mammoth is almost complete, but I think it's missing a couple of pieces because it doesn't have almost all its legs, but you've probably just haven't dug that much.
Leo Oh yeah, great observations. So right now we're looking at Mammoth Q, and he is the only adult male at our site. He is, in fact, missing a few pieces, and we think the main reason is that he was scavenged on after he died. On the back of his kneecap bone — his patella — there are a few bite marks from a dog-like animal. There are also rodent marks on his shoulder blade, his scapula, from mice or rats that were chewing on it after he died. This is all evidence of scavenging, and that's why we think a lot of his back legs are actually missing.
Chapter 04

The giant tortoise & the western camel

Gabriel So I can see the giant tortoise and the western camel together. I was just thinking if they were together at the same time when they died or different. And then I also see like this rock that looks like a small giant squirrel probably, but I know it's part of the camel. Could you explain why they were together?
Leo Excellent questions. So yes, we do have a western camel — scientific name Camelops hesternus — and this was actually the last species of camel known to be living in North America before all the camels here went extinct. We've got a camel here even though we don't have camels in North America today, because camels are actually originally from North America. The earliest species, Poebrotherium, lived about 43 to 45 million years ago in what is now South Dakota. These were very small animals, about two feet long — about the size of a goat. But millions of years later in the Pleistocene, we've got larger species like the western camel, which could be seven feet tall at the shoulder and about 11 feet tall at the head.
Leo We did in fact have giant tortoises here at the time of the Ice Age, and this gives us more information about what the environment was like. It was more temperate than it is today — more humid and warmer. So even though it was the Ice Age, Waco would have been only about 10 degrees cooler on average than it is today — think more like Kansas or Nebraska. And yes, that bit of rock you mentioned is actually a layer slightly above the western camel, and we think it contains the foot bone of an animal, but we're not sure what animal yet.
Camels are actually originally from North America. — Leo, Waco Mammoth National Monument
Chapter 05

What's still in the rock?

Gabriel So I also see Mammoth W and a giant tortoise over there, but I was wondering — over there in the rock side up there, have y'all found anything or do you think there's still something in that rock?
Leo Oh, we're pretty sure there's more to be found because we're making new discoveries every year. In fact, when they were building this building, they were digging holes for the support pillars and they accidentally hit bone. Recently, there was water leaking from our HVAC unit — a machine that keeps the temperature and humidity levels constant — and when we were removing dirt from the rock wall, we actually uncovered even more bones. This place seems to be chock full of bones as far as we can tell. Just imagine how many new animals we'll find in the next few years as we keep digging.
Just imagine how many new animals we'll find in the next few years as we keep digging. — Leo, Waco Mammoth National Monument
Chapter 06

Saber-toothed cat & the even-toed mystery

Gabriel And then after that, I could see a saber-toothed tiger — or well — and an undiscovered animal. I can see it's even-toed probably. It was like a deer or like a cow or something, probably a horse. So I was wondering if the saber-toothed cat probably like bit into some of these animals that were on the same level at the same time, or it was just an even-toed mammal, or he just died.
Leo That's a great question, and we do have a lot of questions about the animals we've found here. It's looking right now like the saber-toothed cat and that even-toed mammal might have been on the same layer as that foot bone I mentioned — possibly a fourth layer here at our site, somewhere between the layer where Mammoth Q is and the layer where Mammoth W is. We're just not sure yet. But yes, we do in fact have a saber-toothed cat tooth here. It is a baby tooth, and on display we only have the replica because baby saber-toothed cat teeth are very rare and fragile. This tells us that saber-toothed cats were living here in the area during the Ice Age.
Chapter 07

Witness columns

Gabriel I really like fossils and stuff, but like what are these giant hills? Are they like replicas or like giant ant hills or something? Because I was thinking they're like giant leg bones or something.
Leo These pillars right here — like this one next to Mammoth Q and a bit farther to the back of the building — are what we call witness columns. They were left here when we were excavating to remind us where the surface of the ground was before we started digging. So we can get an idea of just how deep it is compared to where we found these animals.
Chapter 08

Wrapping up

Gabriel I can't really think of any more questions.
Leo Hey, that's all right. And I forgot to mention this at the beginning, but I am an intern through the Student Conservation Association — a federal intern working with the National Park Service.
Gabriel Thank you so much.
Leo Thank you for the interview.
Earlier in this series

Read Episode 01: Gabriel's first conversation at the Waco Mammoth, this time with Dr. Lindsey Yan, the on-site paleontologist.

Read Episode 01
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